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Open Carry Group Makes It's Point

I got this email the Virginia Civilian Defense League, and it speaks volumes as to why anti-gunners are not in charge in VA or the USA.  Check it out:

 

Finally, the wait is over!  Here is the article that was written by a 
reporter who came to the various luncheons and a dinner in the Fairfax 
area that were attended by VCDL members.

Over 100 gun owners participated in the meals, which happened every 
weekend in April.

EM Dave Vann came up with the idea of having a reporter cover the 
meals in order to document that Senator "Banjo" Saslaw was out of 
touch with reality when he made condescending remarks on the Senate 
Floor earlier this year about gun owners being kicked out of any 
restaurant in NoVA where they might try to eat while open carrying.

There were a lot of pictures taken at the events that will be on the 
Internet soon.  We also had a video made by member Matt Gottshalk of 
McGee Digital Media that we will post as soon as it is available.

Since the last meal was a dinner with almost 100 reservations and was 
being held in his district, we had asked Senator Cuccinelli if he 
wanted to attend and speak to the group.  Unfortunately, he was 
speaking at the Virginia Conservative Leadership Conference that same 
night , so he had ex-Delegate Dick Black, a strong supporter of our 
right to keep and bear arms, speak in his stead.

Senator Saslaw couldn't resist showing his elitism, yet again, as he 
takes another swipe at gun owners.  Saslaw even manages to insult 
police officers when he says:

“What normal person walks around with a gun on your hip? Something’s 
wrong in your life if you feel compelled to carry a gun as part of 
your daily routine"

The News Advance changed the headline of the story and the featured 
picture.  The AP's headline was "Guns in Restaurants, like Peanut 
Butter and Jelly" and the AP photo was of VCDL members in a restaurant.

Here is the article:

http://tinyurl.com/536htc

Guns in restaurants draw stares but little outcry

By MATTHEW BARAKAT
Associated Press Writer
Published: May 9, 2008

RESTON, Va. (AP) — The patrons at Champps, an upscale restaurant and 
bar chain, were eating ribs and drinking beer on a recent Saturday 
when customer Bruce Jackson stood up and made an announcement: He was 
armed, and so were dozens of other patrons.

The armed customers stood up in unison, showing off holstered pistols 
and revolvers. Jackson said a word or two about the rights of gun 
owners to carry firearms in Virginia, then thanked everyone for their 
attention and sat down.

And the diners returned to their burgers and Budweisers.

The Virginia Citizens Defense League organized the dinner at Champps 
to prove a point: that the presence of armed customers in northern 
Virginia restaurants would elicit little more than shrugs.

The dinner — and several other restaurant visits throughout northern 
Virginia last month — were a response to comments from the majority 
leader in the state Senate, Democrat Richard Saslaw, who said during a 
legislative debate that armed patrons would be unwelcome in northern 
Virginia restaurants.

“In most urban areas, you walk into a restaurant with a gun on your 
hip, they’re going to tell you to get out,” Saslaw said.

In fact, with a few exceptions, the gun owners got their meals. The 
group went to eight different restarants in April — at two of them, 
they were asked to leave. More often than not, though, their presence 
failed to generate a stir.

All the restaurants were in Fairfax County, a bastion of suburbia and 
soccer moms outside Washington that is the wealthiest county in 
America, according to the most recent Census data. It is also a place 
where nerves over the gun debate are still somewhat raw a year after 
the shootings at Virginia Tech, where 32 people were slain, including 
many from northern Virginia.

The restaurants included numerous family establishments including the 
Fuddruckers burger chain and the McLean Family Restaurant.

“We wanted to prove not only that (Saslaw) was wrong, but we wanted to 
make the point that we have the right to self defense. That’s a God-
given right,” said Dave Vann, a retired D.C. police officer and VCDL 
member who organized the restaurant visits.

In Virginia, gun owners are allowed to carry firearms in bars and 
restaurants that serve alcohol, as long as the restaurant permits it 
and they carry their weapon openly. Legislation to allow concealed 
weapons in restaurants serving alcohol passed the General Assembly 
this year, but was vetoed by Gov. Timothy M. Kaine.

While Virginia is generally considered friendly to gun owners, it is 
only one of two states along with Montana, that requires people to 
openly carry arms in restaurants that serve alcohol, according to the 
Web site opencarry.org, which promotes and monitors gun owners’ 
rights. Eleven states ban guns altogether in restaurants that serve 
alcohol, while the rest make no distinction between open and concealed 
carry.

At Champps, several patrons failed to notice that so many customers 
were armed, even though dozens of gun-toting men and women had walked 
right past them.

Tomas Nolasco of Reston said he hadn’t noticed the guns and didn’t 
care as long as they weren’t drinking. (They weren’t.) His wife was a 
little more concerned.

“There are families in here, children in here,” Cathy Nolasco said. 
“It bothers me.”

Brendan Fitzgerald of Reston and his friends noticed the guns 
immediately. They were curious but unconcerned.

“I’m just laughing because it’s totally unnecessary in my opinion,” 
Fitzgerald said, pointing to one individual who not only was armed but 
also had several clips of ammunition attached to his belt.

“This is Reston, not Southeast,” said his friend Nathan Dicken, 
contrasting the northern Virginia suburb to a section of the District 
of Columbia that has been known for gun violence.

The gun owners say those patrons’ comments miss the point. Vann said 
the gun owners’ presence make the restaurant more safe, not less. 
Champps’ manager — Carey Vereen, a gun-rights supporter — agreed.

“This is an area with a large population of government agents — FBI, 
CIA, local,” Vereen said. “In terms of people seeing open carry, it’s 
not a shock to our customers.”

Indeed, many of the men who carry weapons say people frequently just 
assume they’re police or retired police.

For women who carry, it’s a different story. At one restaurant — 
Mike’s American Grill — the group had gone essentially unnoticed until 
a woman in her 20s with a satin-finished, stainless-steel revolver got 
up from her table.

The restaurant’s manager spotted her and asked the group to either put 
the guns in their cars or leave. They left.

“When I saw the gun on her hip, I was like, ‘What is going on here?”‘ 
said the manager, Gabba Kaye, who hadn’t noticed the guns when the 
group of 20 checked in for their lunch reservation.

Kaye said he hadn’t received complaints from customers, but that the 
weapons made him uncomfortable. He also said he had been warned by the 
restaurant’s ownership after word got out that VCDL planned a series 
of restaurant visits. He was specifically instructed not to allow them 
service while carrying.

The woman who caught the manager’s attention said the gun always 
attracts notice.

“Every time I go out, I notice people’s eyes going right here,” said 
the woman, pointing to her hip. She de-clined to give her full name 
out of privacy concerns. “It’s interesting because it’s not a reaction 
of fear. It’s more a reaction of ‘You can’t do that. You can’t carry a 
gun.’ ... It’s like disdain.”

She said she only recently began carrying a gun after a string of 
sexual assaults in her Alexandria neighborhood.

The second restaurant that turned the group away was Kilroy’s in 
Springfield — a restaurant where Saslaw was popular enough to once 
have a sandwich named after him. The owner also said he had been aware 
of earlier news reports that the VCDL was planning a series of armed 
lunches.

“We’d just prefer they not come to the restaurant,” said the owner, 
Phillip “Pip” Thomas. “I’m sure it would offend some customers.”

Saslaw said he’s not necessarily surprised that VCDL found restaurants 
in the region that would allow them to dine while armed. But he said 
that carrying guns is simply not normal behavior in this area.

“What normal person walks around with a gun on your hip? Something’s 
wrong in your life if you feel compelled to carry a gun as part of 
your daily routine," he said.

The gun owners bristle at that stereotype. Nearly 100 people attended 
the various lunches and dinners, including many retired military 
personnel. Others were white-collar professionals. While most were 
white men, the group included blacks, Hispanics, Asians and women.

“This isn’t a bunch of drunk rednecks sidling up to a saloon,” said 
Christopher Wu, 28, of Alexandria, carrying a Springfield XD45 pistol.

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VA-ALERT is a project of the Virginia Citizens Defense League, Inc.
(VCDL). VCDL is an all-volunteer, non-partisan grassroots organization
dedicated to defending the human rights of all Virginians. The Right to
Keep and Bear Arms is a fundamental human right.

                  VCDL web page: http://www.vcdl.org

 

 

Posted on Saturday, May 10, 2008 at 07:10PM by Registered CommenterSpankThatDonkey in | Comments11 Comments

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I can't believe that grown men have to prove their macho by walking around with guns and actually STAND UP in a restaurant to show the other customers, that by golly, we are armed and we can do this if we want to. You guys are like little boys trying to show that you're men. Well, REAL men don't have to show off with guns as props. - Coming in with ammo clips on the chest. Sheeez. - I'll tell you that I'd be out the door of a restaurant that would allow armed men to show off their weapons while I'm having a meal, especially if I had a youngster with me and I'd never come back plus tell everybody NOT to frequent the place.

Did it make you feel real gooooooood? Did it make you feel proud? Did you improve society? Did you get admired for your boldness?

Pray tell where it is written that "to keep and bear arms is a FUNDAMENTAL HUMAN RIGHT (caps mine). Is this from the Bible or from where?

May 10, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterOttie

We did not stand up. There were several people in the place that were wondering what was going on. So, with the permission of management, I explained how state Sen. Banjo Dick Saslaw said that anyone who wears a gun into a NOVA eatery will be asked to leave. I then asked all the people who were armed to raise their hand. More than 80 did and then we all went back to our meals.

Oh, and it was gents and ladies. It was about a 60/40 mix. And please call them magazines as they are not clips. You are just fostering ignorance when you call them clips and no one had them on their chest.

As to your main question...."where it is written..." and you ask for biblical references...

Psa 144:1 A Psalm of David. Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight

Neh 4:18 For the builders, every one had his sword girded by his side, and so builded.

Luk 22:36 ...and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one

If you wish to discuss this off line (as the article was hacked and is misleading) drop me an email or send your number to 4permits at gmail.com

I'm not well versed in biblical lore, but I'd much rather you people would carry your sword around with you than hiding a gun. Also, I doubt very much that whoever wrote your quotes had any idea of the sort of weapons that would be invented.

The Bible is funny that way; anybody can find SOMEthing that fits his/her own personality in it. "Do unto others..." probably doesn't fit in with "teaching your hands to war and your fingers to kill." As for he who has an extra garment, Jesus says he should give it to the one who has none, not barter it for a sword.

And, yes, guilty as charged, I do not know the difference between a clip and a magazine. - Thanks for the invitation to further discussion, but i must decline because my knowledge of the Bible, guns, magazines, clips,etc. is so puny, it would be a waste of your time.

In the end - I do hate to see guns bandied about, almost anywhere. Shooting range/fine - tin cans out behind the barn/fine - public places/BIG NO !

May 11, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterOttie

Thanks for that commentary Bruce.

Ottie:
Open carry is as old as Virginia itself. Think of the wagon fulls of families heading west to settle literally the West. Everyone carried a gun.

There has never been and will not be a reason to out law open carry of weapons. That is what the second amendment is about the ability to defend yourself against government itself or criminals.

Look if God forbid a maifiso type threatens you or your family, I want you to be armed to protect your family. I have always thought anti-gunners colluded with the underworld to make them more powerful... they carry guns, the law abiding citizen doesn't?

No wonder they can extort protection money from businesses or famililies!

May 11, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterSpank That Donkey

The wagon families had to shoot their meat. And I don't see how you can even begin to compare those days with today. Look at statistics for people shot to death in the US compared with other industrial countries. If your theory is correct, then all those countries ought to be colluding with the underworld, right? Don't know about Putin and his cohorts. - Please, please, don't come back with Switzerland! Nor with DC.

What about Australia and New Zealand?

Of course, knives kill too, and axes, and hands, and rocks, and ropes, and stockings, and ...

May 11, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterOttie

If you do not want to be able to protect you or your family that is your choice. But please don't tell me I can not. I will even be happy to protect your family if I happen to be near when you need help just as you quoted from the Bible (do unto others...). One of the reasons that I carry is becouse of how many people are shot every year in the US. If there was never any danger that my family would be in danger I would save my money and not carry. I am willing to bet, the moment a criminal indangers your family is the moment you may change your mind. I hope that moment never happens to any of us but I carry my insurance with me.I look at this as no different then insurance on my home or car. Just becouse I have it does not mean I wish to use it.

May 11, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterLauren Yoder

Lauren:
Insured by Smitha & Wesson huh ;-)

Ottie:
The principle is that criminals hunt for their money.

Let me put it this way, there would probably be less deer hunters if the deer could shoot back. Hope that helps...

May 12, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterSpank That Donkey

Lauren - Deer shooting back - What a splendid idea! :)

May 12, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterOttie

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. The fact is that I am a law abiding guy with the desire to protect myself. That can not be allowed but if I tried to tell you that you were not allowed to wear a seatbelt or have an airbag in your car you would tell me to get lost. You see, an airbag can kill you just like a gun, However, if used properly, both can save your life.

May 12, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterLauren Yoder

Lauren - Show me a seatbelt and an airbag that has been used to protect yourself against a robber or an intruder! And you don't carry them with you, as far as I know.

May 13, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterOttie

Show me the gun that protects in a car crash. Each has its place and each should be used properly. I do no think everyone should carry. Only people who want to and can use the weapon properly should. I also don't go along with the open carry crowd to much. I have a carry permit becouse I don't want every one to know I am packing. I will openly carry if I am hunting or working on the farm but I just don't see the need to flash my gun when I am in town. I want a weapon for protection not for a ego boost.

May 14, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterLauren Yoder

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